Folder 03: CSC Report 3

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    December 15, 1942 A meeting of the Civic Services Committee of the Carolina Art Association was held on Tuesday. December 15, 1942, at the Gibbes Art Gallery. Those present were Mr. H. M. place, Chairman; Mr. F. H. McDonad, Mr. Means, Mr. Simons , Mr. Whitelaw. Mr. place asked for a report on the planning Bureau which had been discussed at the last meeting for architectural guidance in reation to war housing needs, and which had been subsequenty authorized by the Board of the Carolina Art Associaltion. Mr. Whitelaw reported that the Bureau had been largey superceeded. by the Homes-Use Program of the Federal Government. However, he said the Civic Services Committee"s planning Bureau had been usefu in the estabishment of theLocalHomes Use Unit and it had impressed the regional and national Offices of the Program with the value of reserving the architectural integrity of the buildings it takes over. Mr. Mconad said that the Homes-Use Program expected to offer architectural services and the Committee"s representatives had pointed out to the Officias the advantages of empoying architects already acquainted with this ocaity. The Program as set up, however, is so atered from that which was discussed that it is extremey unikey that anyLocalarchitect will be wiing to associalte himsef with it. Mr Simons expressed the same opinion. Mr . Means expressed the opinion that the Homes-Use program was at a standsti, and Mr . McDonad said that the machinery had been set up, but it had not been put into operation. Mr. Whitelaw said that the Washington office of the national Resources planning Board is now aware of the existence of the Committee, understand the value of its co-operation, and looks upon it as a suitable repository for studies make the Board of this Area. Mr . place said that the regional Office was sending a man into this area in January to revaueLocalneeds . Mr. Whitelaw asked if the Committee felt that monthy meetings would be desirable . Mr. Simons said that meetings caed for important business, were more effective than reguar meetings with itte business. Mr . McDonad confirmed this opinion, and it was decided therefore to call meetings when necessary. Mr. Whitelaw reported that on a recent trip to Washington he had consuted with Mr. eand of the American Council of earned Societies who had suggested that a visit to the national Park Service would bring to its attention the work of the Committee . In conversations and correspondence with Mr. Damaree in Washington and Mr . Abrams, the Advisory Board on Historic Sites, buildings and Monuments , Mr. Whitelaw was encouraged t o believe that a scheme for the creation of a national historic park, or area, in and about Charleston to be put into operation at the end, of the war would meet with the approva of the Advisory Board. However , he was unable to secure from the Advisory Board a resoution which would in substance, appoint the Civic Services Committee its representative in this area. Mr. place said that a simiar project had been discussed in Charleston some years ago with a representative of the Service. Mr. Whitelaw said that , though no immediate directive from the Service has been secured., there is definite hope of assistance towards the reaization of the aims of the Committee in the Post War period. [End Page 1] Mr. Whitelaw asked whether or not the committee should go forward with the plan of enarging membership discussed at previous meetings. Simons said that, in view of the necessity for groping after an immediate function, it would be wiser to postpone the enlargement. Mr. McDonad concurred with this opinion, and it was agreed for the present to postpone invi ting new members to join the Committee . 1":r . Simons uade the suggestion that a study be tA.ndertaken that would edd to the revision of the present Zoning .Ordinance , then conduct a campa.ign t o get the revision adopted by City Council o .The City anning and ZOIDing COI.i sion , he said, houd represent the most enthghtenend Public opinion i n the community. The Jackson ie Commission, which he bad recEn ty observed in session, yat:: made up 0 a cross section of the community, .embracing manbers of the vari.ous men" s unchemn Clubs I the women"s organizations etc . Mr i; ace agree tho. t the Zoning Ordinance" though it had .served the need .for which it wa., cI"eated, had not been atered t o meet changi.ng condit on . r . Whitelaw spom of the recent estabisbment of a county planningboard, und Mr . McDonad said thaa the county planning board" though not yet operating, wa xpecting to receive funds and to empoy a. planner .. The cO"mty and city, together., he said, had better machinery for pbanning than ever b fore , but tI nee OIL an active Public opinion group was apparent . He as ed if" the City anning and Zoning Commission had ever been i:aJ.pementcd uth technicay trained persoVe. fv1r . amp;imons r epied t hat a v IDDk of the commission had been vountary, and that i t had .formery been more active than it 1s at present. He pvoposa, ther e. t hat t he revision of" thE.. obsoete rdinar:ce" and t he enliving of the Commission be made the project of t _18 Civic ervices CO. it ee . Mr. Means expressed himsef us in favour of this projecY . Mr. Whitelaw as} .ed that disc.ussion be deferred until other matters were dispos.od of. Ie proposed that the repor which the secretaI"y bad prepared from the Committee invento.ry 0 buiding , be pubished. On the ba i of cstnates she ad gat ered . he said. n edition of" 4500 copies could be put out for a cost of " 3500J "1hich could be financed by the patronage of business firm. 1:1hic11 JO be isted in t e cknovedgments. The atrons would thus 0. sist in both ino.ncing and distributi on or each would B given co ies in proporcion to is cOtribution . The book whi ch would no.ve approx 11o.tey 600 . ustratio1s including te nationa. y important, vuuable to the ci y, va uable , und notable cat agories of the inventory, would be distributed in th, fooyring proporti ons : 2000" to business patrons, 1500 to the adult membership. of the Art I.GSOC ution1f ana 1000 J."eserved from sae and the use of the Committoe. A. te" some diScussion it was moved and seconded tr.t the report by pubished and Mr . Whit eaw as authorized to go forward with plans to that end. Mr . Whitelaw then rend a suggestion put forth ;.n a letter f rom Mr Mc Dona d , that the Committee have a gigantic scae-mode of the dntire metropolitan area constructed, tfrom which can be sisuay extrac:bed weakness to be corrected. and on which could be demonstrated physically the remedies and betterments which we or other agencies may PI"opose for t he city...... ... . .. ..we might or ganize a st udy, planning and working group grom a those in he area interested in t B development of the area to tis utmost future potentialities. Such u group could be recruited pro per y from every phase ofLocalactivity ...... ..etc. u Mr .. Whitelaw ex-Jamp;gt;a ?ed that many tr ained vounteers reeased [:rom t he f"iter center might [End Page 2] be avaiable and two of them at east, were interested in enisting others. Mr. Means inquired about the cost of construction of such a mode. Mr. Whitelaw repied that it would depend upon the degree of simpification used, and for the present a simpe, styized type of mode was being contempated. In the ensuing discussion, in which the mechanices of such a mode were discussed, it was brought out that the gathering of statistics would become more interesting when the results were potted on the mode that areas where remedia planning was necessary would be pointed out, and the need for changes in the Zoning Ordinance would be dramatized. Mr. Simons said that Mayor ockwood had stated, when he first took office that though a revision of the Zoning Ordinanco was needed, there were no funds to empoy a technical expert, and sufficient "taent" existed with in the city to accompish the revision. Various members saw in the mode the means of demonstrating the necessity and the means of revision of the Ordinance, but, as Mr. Means pointed out, the revision required is an immediate necessity and cannot wait upon the competion of so llarge and eaborated an instrument as the mode. M. place suggested that both projects be undertaken simutaneousy. Mr. Simons proposed that the study for revision of the ordinance be undertaken by Mr. McDohnd and Mr. Rittenberg, and Mr. McDonad named Mr. Simons as a third member of the committee. The chairman expressed wiingness to appoint such a committee and Mr. Means moved that the committee, as named, be appointed: the motion was seconded and passed. The appointment of someone to fill the petition occupied for one month by Mr. Charles Wagner, was discussed. Mr. McDonad stressed the need for someone with not only an architectural and planning background, but also with craftsman interests and abities. Mr. Simons suggested writing Mr. McCormack of M. I .T. for suggestions , and Mr. Whitelaw mentioned the name of wiie von Mothe, who had been recommended as a person possessing the desired quaifcations. It was agreed that both possibiities be investigated further . There being no further business, the meeting adjourned. Respectfuy submitted, Secretary [End Page 3]
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    December 15, 1942 A meeting of the Civic Services Committee of the Carolina Art Association was held on Tuesday. December 15, 1942, at the Gibbes Art Gallery. Those present were Mr. H. M. place, Chairman; Mr. F. H. McDonad, Mr. Means, Mr. Simons , Mr. Whitelaw. Mr. place asked for a report on the planning Bureau which had been discussed at the last meeting for architectural guidance in reation to war housing needs, and which had been subsequenty authorized by the Board of the Carolina Art Associaltion. Mr. Whitelaw reported that the Bureau had been largey superceeded. by the Homes-Use Program of the Federal Government. However, he said the Civic Services Committee"s planning Bureau had been usefu in the estabishment of theLocalHomes Use Unit and it had impressed the regional and national Offices of the Program with the value of reserving the architectural integrity of the buildings it takes over. Mr. Mconad said that the Homes-Use Program expected to offer architectural services and the Committee"s representatives had pointed out to the Officias the advantages of empoying architects already acquainted with this ocaity. The Program as set up, however, is so atered from that which was discussed that it is extremey unikey that anyLocalarchitect will be wiing to associalte himsef with it. Mr Simons expressed the same opinion. Mr . Means expressed the opinion that the Homes-Use program was at a standsti, and Mr . McDonad said that the machinery had been set up, but it had not been put into operation. Mr. Whitelaw said that the Washington office of the national Resources planning Board is now aware of the existence of the Committee, understand the value of its co-operation, and looks upon it as a suitable repository for studies make the Board of this Area. Mr . place said that the regional Office was sending a man into this area in January to revaueLocalneeds . Mr. Whitelaw asked if the Committee felt that monthy meetings would be desirable . Mr. Simons said that meetings caed for important business, were more effective than reguar meetings with itte business. Mr . McDonad confirmed this opinion, and it was decided therefore to call meetings when necessary. Mr. Whitelaw reported that on a recent trip to Washington he had consuted with Mr. eand of the American Council of earned Societies who had suggested that a visit to the national Park Service would bring to its attention the work of the Committee . In conversations and correspondence with Mr. Damaree in Washington and Mr . Abrams, the Advisory Board on Historic Sites, buildings and Monuments , Mr. Whitelaw was encouraged t o believe that a scheme for the creation of a national historic park, or area, in and about Charleston to be put into operation at the end, of the war would meet with the approva of the Advisory Board. However , he was unable to secure from the Advisory Board a resoution which would in substance, appoint the Civic Services Committee its representative in this area. Mr. place said that a simiar project had been discussed in Charleston some years ago with a representative of the Service. Mr. Whitelaw said that , though no immediate directive from the Service has been secured., there is definite hope of assistance towards the reaization of the aims of the Committee in the Post War period. [End Page 1] Mr. Whitelaw asked whether or not the committee should go forward with the plan of enarging membership discussed at previous meetings. Simons said that, in view of the necessity for groping after an immediate function, it would be wiser to postpone the enlargement. Mr. McDonad concurred with this opinion, and it was agreed for the present to postpone invi ting new members to join the Committee . 1":r . Simons uade the suggestion that a study be tA.ndertaken that would edd to the revision of the present Zoning .Ordinance , then conduct a campa.ign t o get the revision adopted by City Council o .The City anning and ZOIDing COI.i sion , he said, houd represent the most enthghtenend Public opinion i n the community. The Jackson ie Commission, which he bad recEn ty observed in session, yat:: made up 0 a cross section of the community, .embracing manbers of the vari.ous men" s unchemn Clubs I the women"s organizations etc . Mr i; ace agree tho. t the Zoning Ordinance" though it had .served the need .for which it wa., cI"eated, had not been atered t o meet changi.ng condit on . r . Whitelaw spom of the recent estabisbment of a county planningboard, und Mr . McDonad said thaa the county planning board" though not yet operating, wa xpecting to receive funds and to empoy a. planner .. The cO"mty and city, together., he said, had better machinery for pbanning than ever b fore , but tI nee OIL an active Public opinion group was apparent . He as ed if" the City anning and Zoning Commission had ever been i:aJ.pementcd uth technicay trained persoVe. fv1r . amp;imons r epied t hat a v IDDk of the commission had been vountary, and that i t had .formery been more active than it 1s at present. He pvoposa, ther e. t hat t he revision of" thE.. obsoete rdinar:ce" and t he enliving of the Commission be made the project of t _18 Civic ervices CO. it ee . Mr. Means expressed himsef us in favour of this projecY . Mr. Whitelaw as} .ed that disc.ussion be deferred until other matters were dispos.od of. Ie proposed that the repor which the secretaI"y bad prepared from the Committee invento.ry 0 buiding , be pubished. On the ba i of cstnates she ad gat ered . he said. n edition of" 4500 copies could be put out for a cost of " 3500J "1hich could be financed by the patronage of business firm. 1:1hic11 JO be isted in t e cknovedgments. The atrons would thus 0. sist in both ino.ncing and distributi on or each would B given co ies in proporcion to is cOtribution . The book whi ch would no.ve approx 11o.tey 600 . ustratio1s including te nationa. y important, vuuable to the ci y, va uable , und notable cat agories of the inventory, would be distributed in th, fooyring proporti ons : 2000" to business patrons, 1500 to the adult membership. of the Art I.GSOC ution1f ana 1000 J."eserved from sae and the use of the Committoe. A. te" some diScussion it was moved and seconded tr.t the report by pubished and Mr . Whit eaw as authorized to go forward with plans to that end. Mr . Whitelaw then rend a suggestion put forth ;.n a letter f rom Mr Mc Dona d , that the Committee have a gigantic scae-mode of the dntire metropolitan area constructed, tfrom which can be sisuay extrac:bed weakness to be corrected. and on which could be demonstrated physically the remedies and betterments which we or other agencies may PI"opose for t he city...... ... . .. ..we might or ganize a st udy, planning and working group grom a those in he area interested in t B development of the area to tis utmost future potentialities. Such u group could be recruited pro per y from every phase ofLocalactivity ...... ..etc. u Mr .. Whitelaw ex-Jamp;gt;a ?ed that many tr ained vounteers reeased [:rom t he f"iter center might [End Page 2] be avaiable and two of them at east, were interested in enisting others. Mr. Means inquired about the cost of construction of such a mode. Mr. Whitelaw repied that it would depend upon the degree of simpification used, and for the present a simpe, styized type of mode was being contempated. In the ensuing discussion, in which the mechanices of such a mode were discussed, it was brought out that the gathering of statistics would become more interesting when the results were potted on the mode that areas where remedia planning was necessary would be pointed out, and the need for changes in the Zoning Ordinance would be dramatized. Mr. Simons said that Mayor ockwood had stated, when he first took office that though a revision of the Zoning Ordinanco was needed, there were no funds to empoy a technical expert, and sufficient "taent" existed with in the city to accompish the revision. Various members saw in the mode the means of demonstrating the necessity and the means of revision of the Ordinance, but, as Mr. Means pointed out, the revision required is an immediate necessity and cannot wait upon the competion of so llarge and eaborated an instrument as the mode. M. place suggested that both projects be undertaken simutaneousy. Mr. Simons proposed that the study for revision of the ordinance be undertaken by Mr. McDohnd and Mr. Rittenberg, and Mr. McDonad named Mr. Simons as a third member of the committee. The chairman expressed wiingness to appoint such a committee and Mr. Means moved that the committee, as named, be appointed: the motion was seconded and passed. The appointment of someone to fill the petition occupied for one month by Mr. Charles Wagner, was discussed. Mr. McDonad stressed the need for someone with not only an architectural and planning background, but also with craftsman interests and abities. Mr. Simons suggested writing Mr. McCormack of M. I .T. for suggestions , and Mr. Whitelaw mentioned the name of wiie von Mothe, who had been recommended as a person possessing the desired quaifcations. It was agreed that both possibiities be investigated further . There being no further business, the meeting adjourned. Respectfuy submitted, Secretary [End Page 3]
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    December 15, 1942 A meeting of the Civic Services Committee of the Carolina Art Association was held on Tuesday. December 15, 1942, at the Gibbes Art Gallery. Those present were Mr. H. M. place, Chairman; Mr. F. H. McDonad, Mr. Means, Mr. Simons , Mr. Whitelaw. Mr. place asked for a report on the planning Bureau which had been discussed at the last meeting for architectural guidance in reation to war housing needs, and which had been subsequenty authorized by the Board of the Carolina Art Associaltion. Mr. Whitelaw reported that the Bureau had been largey superceeded. by the Homes-Use Program of the Federal Government. However, he said the Civic Services Committee"s planning Bureau had been usefu in the estabishment of theLocalHomes Use Unit and it had impressed the regional and national Offices of the Program with the value of reserving the architectural integrity of the buildings it takes over. Mr. Mconad said that the Homes-Use Program expected to offer architectural services and the Committee"s representatives had pointed out to the Officias the advantages of empoying architects already acquainted with this ocaity. The Program as set up, however, is so atered from that which was discussed that it is extremey unikey that anyLocalarchitect will be wiing to associalte himsef with it. Mr Simons expressed the same opinion. Mr . Means expressed the opinion that the Homes-Use program was at a standsti, and Mr . McDonad said that the machinery had been set up, but it had not been put into operation. Mr. Whitelaw said that the Washington office of the national Resources planning Board is now aware of the existence of the Committee, understand the value of its co-operation, and looks upon it as a suitable repository for studies make the Board of this Area. Mr . place said that the regional Office was sending a man into this area in January to revaueLocalneeds . Mr. Whitelaw asked if the Committee felt that monthy meetings would be desirable . Mr. Simons said that meetings caed for important business, were more effective than reguar meetings with itte business. Mr . McDonad confirmed this opinion, and it was decided therefore to call meetings when necessary. Mr. Whitelaw reported that on a recent trip to Washington he had consuted with Mr. eand of the American Council of earned Societies who had suggested that a visit to the national Park Service would bring to its attention the work of the Committee . In conversations and correspondence with Mr. Damaree in Washington and Mr . Abrams, the Advisory Board on Historic Sites, buildings and Monuments , Mr. Whitelaw was encouraged t o believe that a scheme for the creation of a national historic park, or area, in and about Charleston to be put into operation at the end, of the war would meet with the approva of the Advisory Board. However , he was unable to secure from the Advisory Board a resoution which would in substance, appoint the Civic Services Committee its representative in this area. Mr. place said that a simiar project had been discussed in Charleston some years ago with a representative of the Service. Mr. Whitelaw said that , though no immediate directive from the Service has been secured., there is definite hope of assistance towards the reaization of the aims of the Committee in the Post War period. [End Page 1] Mr. Whitelaw asked whether or not the committee should go forward with the plan of enarging membership discussed at previous meetings. Simons said that, in view of the necessity for groping after an immediate function, it would be wiser to postpone the enlargement. Mr. McDonad concurred with this opinion, and it was agreed for the present to postpone invi ting new members to join the Committee . 1":r . Simons uade the suggestion that a study be tA.ndertaken that would edd to the revision of the present Zoning .Ordinance , then conduct a campa.ign t o get the revision adopted by City Council o .The City anning and ZOIDing COI.i sion , he said, houd represent the most enthghtenend Public opinion i n the community. The Jackson ie Commission, which he bad recEn ty observed in session, yat:: made up 0 a cross section of the community, .embracing manbers of the vari.ous men" s unchemn Clubs I the women"s organizations etc . Mr i; ace agree tho. t the Zoning Ordinance" though it had .served the need .for which it wa., cI"eated, had not been atered t o meet changi.ng condit on . r . Whitelaw spom of the recent estabisbment of a county planningboard, und Mr . McDonad said thaa the county planning board" though not yet operating, wa xpecting to receive funds and to empoy a. planner .. The cO"mty and city, together., he said, had better machinery for pbanning than ever b fore , but tI nee OIL an active Public opinion group was apparent . He as ed if" the City anning and Zoning Commission had ever been i:aJ.pementcd uth technicay trained persoVe. fv1r . amp;imons r epied t hat a v IDDk of the commission had been vountary, and that i t had .formery been more active than it 1s at present. He pvoposa, ther e. t hat t he revision of" thE.. obsoete rdinar:ce" and t he enliving of the Commission be made the project of t _18 Civic ervices CO. it ee . Mr. Means expressed himsef us in favour of this projecY . Mr. Whitelaw as} .ed that disc.ussion be deferred until other matters were dispos.od of. Ie proposed that the repor which the secretaI"y bad prepared from the Committee invento.ry 0 buiding , be pubished. On the ba i of cstnates she ad gat ered . he said. n edition of" 4500 copies could be put out for a cost of " 3500J "1hich could be financed by the patronage of business firm. 1:1hic11 JO be isted in t e cknovedgments. The atrons would thus 0. sist in both ino.ncing and distributi on or each would B given co ies in proporcion to is cOtribution . The book whi ch would no.ve approx 11o.tey 600 . ustratio1s including te nationa. y important, vuuable to the ci y, va uable , und notable cat agories of the inventory, would be distributed in th, fooyring proporti ons : 2000" to business patrons, 1500 to the adult membership. of the Art I.GSOC ution1f ana 1000 J."eserved from sae and the use of the Committoe. A. te" some diScussion it was moved and seconded tr.t the report by pubished and Mr . Whit eaw as authorized to go forward with plans to that end. Mr . Whitelaw then rend a suggestion put forth ;.n a letter f rom Mr Mc Dona d , that the Committee have a gigantic scae-mode of the dntire metropolitan area constructed, tfrom which can be sisuay extrac:bed weakness to be corrected. and on which could be demonstrated physically the remedies and betterments which we or other agencies may PI"opose for t he city...... ... . .. ..we might or ganize a st udy, planning and working group grom a those in he area interested in t B development of the area to tis utmost future potentialities. Such u group could be recruited pro per y from every phase ofLocalactivity ...... ..etc. u Mr .. Whitelaw ex-Jamp;gt;a ?ed that many tr ained vounteers reeased [:rom t he f"iter center might [End Page 2] be avaiable and two of them at east, were interested in enisting others. Mr. Means inquired about the cost of construction of such a mode. Mr. Whitelaw repied that it would depend upon the degree of simpification used, and for the present a simpe, styized type of mode was being contempated. In the ensuing discussion, in which the mechanices of such a mode were discussed, it was brought out that the gathering of statistics would become more interesting when the results were potted on the mode that areas where remedia planning was necessary would be pointed out, and the need for changes in the Zoning Ordinance would be dramatized. Mr. Simons said that Mayor ockwood had stated, when he first took office that though a revision of the Zoning Ordinanco was needed, there were no funds to empoy a technical expert, and sufficient "taent" existed with in the city to accompish the revision. Various members saw in the mode the means of demonstrating the necessity and the means of revision of the Ordinance, but, as Mr. Means pointed out, the revision required is an immediate necessity and cannot wait upon the competion of so llarge and eaborated an instrument as the mode. M. place suggested that both projects be undertaken simutaneousy. Mr. Simons proposed that the study for revision of the ordinance be undertaken by Mr. McDohnd and Mr. Rittenberg, and Mr. McDonad named Mr. Simons as a third member of the committee. The chairman expressed wiingness to appoint such a committee and Mr. Means moved that the committee, as named, be appointed: the motion was seconded and passed. The appointment of someone to fill the petition occupied for one month by Mr. Charles Wagner, was discussed. Mr. McDonad stressed the need for someone with not only an architectural and planning background, but also with craftsman interests and abities. Mr. Simons suggested writing Mr. McCormack of M. I .T. for suggestions , and Mr. Whitelaw mentioned the name of wiie von Mothe, who had been recommended as a person possessing the desired quaifcations. It was agreed that both possibiities be investigated further . There being no further business, the meeting adjourned. Respectfuy submitted, Secretary [End Page 3]
Title:
Folder 03: CSC Report 3
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Civic Services Committee
Date:
1942-12-15
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Meeting minutes of the Civic Services Committee of the Carolina Art Association held at the Gibbes Art Gallery (Dec. 15, 1942).
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